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		<title>By: ViewPass has potential for data, revenue &#171; Pursuing the Complete Community Connection</title>
		<link>http://danielbachhuber.com/2009/06/04/open-memo-on-how-to-right-a-sinking-ship/#comment-278</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more wisdom about media than many executives twice his age and more, offers a plan of action in his Open memo on how to right a sinking ship: Value experimentation with new business models, redesign newsroom for digital age, change [...] </p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, Daniel. Fixing the business of newspapers is going to take multiple solutions. I&#039;m skeptical that a pay wall will work at this juncture. Seems like wishful thinking to me that people would pony up even $5 a month for local online news but maybe they would if we provided better news coverage? Of course, that requires solid reporting and digging and that takes time, which newsrooms have less of as the staffs shrink. And that leads me to wonder if anyone has thought that maybe we should be reducing our home delivery areas and reduce staff and expenses there rather than in the newsrooms?  Thing is, circulation managers and publishers already are terrified by the recent free fall in print subscriptions so they&#039;re not too eager to tell loyal print readers they&#039;ll have to now hoof it to the mini-mart or grocery store for the paper, or read it online with their dial-up connection that is so prevalent if one lives in the sticks. All that said, as painful as it might be, the ROI in shrinking one&#039;s delivery area may be a smarter solution in some cases.

Of course, the flip side to that is you&#039;d better keep the right reporters on your staff to do that killer journalism. I&#039;m guessing that most newspapers retain their best reporters during layoffs, but I also know that personalities and salaries can come into play and sometimes a higher-paid and/or outspoken critic in a newsroom can get the axe over a lesser-talented by faithful, follows-orders writer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Daniel. Fixing the business of newspapers is going to take multiple solutions. I&#8217;m skeptical that a pay wall will work at this juncture. Seems like wishful thinking to me that people would pony up even $5 a month for local online news but maybe they would if we provided better news coverage? Of course, that requires solid reporting and digging and that takes time, which newsrooms have less of as the staffs shrink. And that leads me to wonder if anyone has thought that maybe we should be reducing our home delivery areas and reduce staff and expenses there rather than in the newsrooms?  Thing is, circulation managers and publishers already are terrified by the recent free fall in print subscriptions so they&#8217;re not too eager to tell loyal print readers they&#8217;ll have to now hoof it to the mini-mart or grocery store for the paper, or read it online with their dial-up connection that is so prevalent if one lives in the sticks. All that said, as painful as it might be, the ROI in shrinking one&#8217;s delivery area may be a smarter solution in some cases.</p>
<p>Of course, the flip side to that is you&#8217;d better keep the right reporters on your staff to do that killer journalism. I&#8217;m guessing that most newspapers retain their best reporters during layoffs, but I also know that personalities and salaries can come into play and sometimes a higher-paid and/or outspoken critic in a newsroom can get the axe over a lesser-talented by faithful, follows-orders writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, that&#039;s a very interesting preposition: monopolies held by mainstream news organizations pre-internet kept the quality of content artificially low. I might just have to agree with that.

In regards to charging for content, I&#039;m not against &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; pay walls. It&#039;s a matter of supply and demand. Especially for regional and national news, most stories are commodity. If a news organization like the NY Times or CNN took a unilateral move and put all of their content behind a pay wall, people would just go elsewhere. Philosophically, however, I&#039;m much more of a &quot;freetard&quot; in the sense that I want to create value by giving things away. I&#039;d recommend reading Charles Stross&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.antipope.org/charlie/accelerando/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Accelerando&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; for a better exploration of this.

The whole business model thing is huge, but it&#039;s meant to be huge. There isn&#039;t going to be a single answer, but rather a multitude of answers. If you&#039;re creating something of value, then logically you should be able to monetize it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, that&#8217;s a very interesting preposition: monopolies held by mainstream news organizations pre-internet kept the quality of content artificially low. I might just have to agree with that.</p>
<p>In regards to charging for content, I&#8217;m not against <em>all</em> pay walls. It&#8217;s a matter of supply and demand. Especially for regional and national news, most stories are commodity. If a news organization like the NY Times or CNN took a unilateral move and put all of their content behind a pay wall, people would just go elsewhere. Philosophically, however, I&#8217;m much more of a &#8220;freetard&#8221; in the sense that I want to create value by giving things away. I&#8217;d recommend reading Charles Stross&#8217; <a href="http://www.antipope.org/charlie/accelerando/" rel="nofollow"><em>Accelerando</em></a> for a better exploration of this.</p>
<p>The whole business model thing is huge, but it&#8217;s meant to be huge. There isn&#8217;t going to be a single answer, but rather a multitude of answers. If you&#8217;re creating something of value, then logically you should be able to monetize it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daniel, again, interesting post.

I feel like a lot of the problem was largely that value was lacking in the mainstream media products before the internet, and that those products were so capital-intensive to produce that the market barrier to entry kept the competition (and the quality) minimal. Just before the internet started becoming a major destination for news, the production of journalistic media was largely consolidated into the hands of a few, proprietary, and heavily capitalized competitors. Basically, if you didn&#039;t like what was on CNN, you had either Fox or MSNBC as alternatives. Now anyone who has access to a computer could potentially be an alternative.

I&#039;m curious, though, if you suggest increasing online value, would you be open to the idea of charging for content? I&#039;ve seen this done in a few &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationaljournal.com/hotline/index.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;places,&lt;/a&gt; where essentially their product is of a journalistic quality in such high demand by its readership that they have managed to survive on charging for content. I still sort of repel from the idea, a little bit, because I&#039;m generally not a fan of constructing paid-membership classes of the informed while the rest of us banter about with sub-grammatical vitriol on YouTube &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1K5LeL4zGU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment boards&lt;/a&gt;. It might happen anyway.

Or, perhaps, the content is of such a quality that it attracts enough viewership to warrant high-paying ad placement? The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seattlepi.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Seattle Post-Intelligencer&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crosscut.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Crosscut&lt;/a&gt; seem to be attempting this route, but the success so far has been limited.

Where I see a major challenge is that it&#039;s hard for a journalistic operation to finance itself when a lot of the revenue sources have been &quot;staffed out&quot; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.craigslist.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;craigslist&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ebay.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eBay&lt;/a&gt;, and others, while their more-or-less unintentional syndicates like Facebook, YouTube, and Google are getting the ad traffic. Newspapers and the AP end up only with the costs: that is, paying people for the time and energy it takes to produce and deliver the content. I think improving the quality of content and dedicating resources toward delivery will no doubt improve their chances. And I think flattening the newsroom is an obvious move. But how exactly, when we get right down to it, we can pay the person who has to grill the shit out of the mayor in an interview for the time they spend doing it remains somewhat elusive. (Or should we, even?)

I&#039;m interested to hear your thoughts on this, because I admittedly have no answer. The best-case seems like something where the content&#039;s so good you can charge for it, but if that were to become widespread enough to finance journalism, I think the copyright would become unenforceable. Plus it would sorta limit the broad-based participation element I think is vital, and you mention as so in third section. I&#039;m thinking a model more along the lines of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community-supported_agriculture&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;community-supported agriculture&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a&gt;Group Health&lt;/a&gt;, or &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_land_trust&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;community land trusts&lt;/a&gt; might be closer to what needs to happen. You might, essentially, pay on the front-end for news you get on the back-end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, again, interesting post.</p>
<p>I feel like a lot of the problem was largely that value was lacking in the mainstream media products before the internet, and that those products were so capital-intensive to produce that the market barrier to entry kept the competition (and the quality) minimal. Just before the internet started becoming a major destination for news, the production of journalistic media was largely consolidated into the hands of a few, proprietary, and heavily capitalized competitors. Basically, if you didn&#8217;t like what was on CNN, you had either Fox or MSNBC as alternatives. Now anyone who has access to a computer could potentially be an alternative.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious, though, if you suggest increasing online value, would you be open to the idea of charging for content? I&#8217;ve seen this done in a few <a href="http://www.nationaljournal.com/hotline/index.php" rel="nofollow">places,</a> where essentially their product is of a journalistic quality in such high demand by its readership that they have managed to survive on charging for content. I still sort of repel from the idea, a little bit, because I&#8217;m generally not a fan of constructing paid-membership classes of the informed while the rest of us banter about with sub-grammatical vitriol on YouTube <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1K5LeL4zGU" rel="nofollow">comment boards</a>. It might happen anyway.</p>
<p>Or, perhaps, the content is of such a quality that it attracts enough viewership to warrant high-paying ad placement? The <a href="http://www.seattlepi.com" rel="nofollow">Seattle Post-Intelligencer</a> and <a href="http://www.crosscut.com" rel="nofollow">Crosscut</a> seem to be attempting this route, but the success so far has been limited.</p>
<p>Where I see a major challenge is that it&#8217;s hard for a journalistic operation to finance itself when a lot of the revenue sources have been &#8220;staffed out&#8221; to <a href="http://www.craigslist.org" rel="nofollow">craigslist</a>, <a href="http://www.ebay.com" rel="nofollow">eBay</a>, and others, while their more-or-less unintentional syndicates like Facebook, YouTube, and Google are getting the ad traffic. Newspapers and the AP end up only with the costs: that is, paying people for the time and energy it takes to produce and deliver the content. I think improving the quality of content and dedicating resources toward delivery will no doubt improve their chances. And I think flattening the newsroom is an obvious move. But how exactly, when we get right down to it, we can pay the person who has to grill the shit out of the mayor in an interview for the time they spend doing it remains somewhat elusive. (Or should we, even?)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested to hear your thoughts on this, because I admittedly have no answer. The best-case seems like something where the content&#8217;s so good you can charge for it, but if that were to become widespread enough to finance journalism, I think the copyright would become unenforceable. Plus it would sorta limit the broad-based participation element I think is vital, and you mention as so in third section. I&#8217;m thinking a model more along the lines of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community-supported_agriculture" rel="nofollow">community-supported agriculture</a>, <a>Group Health</a>, or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_land_trust" rel="nofollow">community land trusts</a> might be closer to what needs to happen. You might, essentially, pay on the front-end for news you get on the back-end.</p>
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		<title>By: We need to earn sense of value &#171; Cold Type</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[We need to earn sense of value &#171; Cold Type]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] think Publish2 intern Daniel Bachhuber is onto something with his &#8220;open memo on how to right a sinking ship&#8221; where he asserts that newspapers need to provide more value to readers with better journalism and [...] ]]></description>
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		<title>By: John Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great stuff, Dan. You&#039;ve summed things up well here. It is so true that newspapers need to start moving and thinking forward, journalists need to embrace their communities and engage in daily conversations and the industry&#039;s proprietary software solutions are typically lacking in many, many ways (I know because I support some at The Columbian). Of course, all that said, I think you&#039;d find that many journalists or others who work at newspapers are eager to innovate and embrace change (well, maybe half of us are). The challenge, I think, lies more than anything at the top of most newspaper org charts. The print rabbis don&#039;t want to let go of their scrolls just yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff, Dan. You&#8217;ve summed things up well here. It is so true that newspapers need to start moving and thinking forward, journalists need to embrace their communities and engage in daily conversations and the industry&#8217;s proprietary software solutions are typically lacking in many, many ways (I know because I support some at The Columbian). Of course, all that said, I think you&#8217;d find that many journalists or others who work at newspapers are eager to innovate and embrace change (well, maybe half of us are). The challenge, I think, lies more than anything at the top of most newspaper org charts. The print rabbis don&#8217;t want to let go of their scrolls just yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Blanda</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Blanda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Danny B, maybe I&#039;m bad at reading, but this seems more like a way to improve the process of journalism, but not much on how to actually monitize it. OR at the very least, you are suggesting a &quot;build it and they will come approach.&quot;

Community and open source stuff are all good, but at the end of the day, someone has to fork over some cash. Thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny B, maybe I&#8217;m bad at reading, but this seems more like a way to improve the process of journalism, but not much on how to actually monitize it. OR at the very least, you are suggesting a &#8220;build it and they will come approach.&#8221;</p>
<p>Community and open source stuff are all good, but at the end of the day, someone has to fork over some cash. Thoughts?</p>
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